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Feb 8, 2016 20:01:35 GMT
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Post by will33 on Feb 8, 2016 20:01:35 GMT
Basically, it's quite obvious some amps sound louder than others of seemingly similar ratings.
Just that the "why" of it is one helluva lot more complicated than a one-number watt rating.
Or how heavy the amp feels when you pick it up.
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Feb 10, 2016 23:31:18 GMT
Post by DeathFromBelow on Feb 10, 2016 23:31:18 GMT
Basically, it's quite obvious some amps sound louder than others of seemingly similar ratings. Just that the "why" of it is one helluva lot more complicated than a one-number watt rating. Or how heavy the amp feels when you pick it up.
Eh, no. As long as the amps are measured with the same methods, then a watt is a watt.
Of course, if one amp emphazises certain frequencies more than the other, then the first amp might be percieved louder than the second, when both are played through the same cab with both amps eq settings set flat. But that's a matter of frequency-response, not power.
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Feb 11, 2016 15:55:43 GMT
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Post by will33 on Feb 11, 2016 15:55:43 GMT
Basically, it's quite obvious some amps sound louder than others of seemingly similar ratings. Just that the "why" of it is one helluva lot more complicated than a one-number watt rating. Or how heavy the amp feels when you pick it up.
Eh, no. As long as the amps are measured with the same methods, then a watt is a watt.
Of course, if one amp emphazises certain frequencies more than the other, then the first amp might be percieved louder than the second, when both are played through the same cab with both amps eq settings set flat. But that's a matter of frequency-response, not power.
Righto. Just they're rarely if ever the same. Distortion %. Type of distortion and how our ears/brains percieve it. Gain structure. Bandwidth limiting. Compression (tubes). Preamp voicing. Etc. Etc. Etc. |
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Post by DeathFromBelow on Feb 13, 2016 0:34:10 GMT
Eh, no. As long as the amps are measured with the same methods, then a watt is a watt.
Of course, if one amp emphazises certain frequencies more than the other, then the first amp might be percieved louder than the second, when both are played through the same cab with both amps eq settings set flat. But that's a matter of frequency-response, not power.
Righto. Just they're rarely if ever the same. Distortion %. Type of distortion and how our ears/brains percieve it. Gain structure. Bandwidth limiting. Compression (tubes). Preamp voicing. Etc. Etc. Etc.
I think we agree here. We just might be misunderstanding each other. If the exact same parameters are measured, then a watt is a watt. If all else is equal.
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Post by will33 on Feb 13, 2016 17:23:06 GMT
Yup. We're saying the same thing I think.
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Feb 13, 2016 19:30:28 GMT
Post by OOD on Feb 13, 2016 19:30:28 GMT
Happens to me all the time.
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Feb 13, 2016 21:08:59 GMT
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Post by will33 on Feb 13, 2016 21:08:59 GMT
What I find more interesting than the cold, clinical, labroratory type measurements is how our ears and brains take in and percieve that stuff. It has a biological and even an emotional component to it. And it can vary from day to day or even minute to minute.
Engineers and designers who understand that, and can use what can sometimes seem like an almost alchemistic blend of science and art to come up with stuff we like are some super talented folks in my book.
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Post by Nukes on Feb 13, 2016 23:46:02 GMT
Its like amps engineered in the 1980s were mostly so colorless it could make a bass sound terrible.
String noise and fret noise for the loss.
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Feb 15, 2016 18:05:36 GMT
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Post by will33 on Feb 15, 2016 18:05:36 GMT
Its like amps engineered in the 1980s were mostly so colorless it could make a bass sound terrible. String noise and fret noise for the loss. Some of that came from the popularity of slap bass and "high fidelity". Clean, colorless amps and tweeters in bass cabs. The string and fret noise was always being produced. Just previously it was being played through gear that didn't RE-produce much of it. |
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